Fox Hosts Controversial Pastor To Suggest Obama Is Secretly Muslim
April 26, 2011 8:37 am ET
From the April 26 broadcast of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
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Why wouldn't they?
Since when do we have a religious requirement to be elected to office, I rather see the results of a civics exam.
The nutjobs don't have faith in the American system or the American people by being so fearful of Sharia law. I guess it's just another manifestation of their hatred of Muslims, or anyone who is different.
to which I replied
Since they can't keep claiming Obama isn't a citizen anymore and still appear to be credible (ha ha) now their going after the "Obama is a secret Muslim" angle.
Just as well they didn't. They would have probably picked Reverend Wright.
No, he doesn't. He sounds like a fundamentalist preacher, which is what he is . . . has nothing to do with the state he's preaching from. He's a bigoted old fool who hides behind the Bible to justify his bigotry.
What is the deep dark secret of Texas Baptist preachers that promotes this sort of intellectual necrophilia?
Generalizations are rarely, if ever, true.
I take it from your post that the only people you consider worthwhile are people who believe, in lockstep, with you. How very sad. If you had seen the horrible posts last week on HuffPo about the Texas fires, you would understand why I despise the FALSE generalizations which get promoted about Texas. There were people there saying "burn, baby, burn," and even worse. If you don't know what you're talking about and you base your opinions on the actions of a few, you are uninformed.
BTW, I loved Molly Ivins and Ann Richards because of their honesty and wit. They are irreplaceable.
What is the deep dark secret of Texas Baptist preachers....
When dealing with religious Groups (Confessions to use the technical term) such as the Baptists, you have to be very careful.
Southern Baptists are fundamentalists and prod of it ( at least for the most part)
American Baptists are very liberal ( as a rule)
To complicate this, all Baptist churches are independent and vary greatly a bout approach to issues , dogma, policy etc.
QUESTION: Why are Southern Baptists for forbidden to have sex standing up?
ANSWER: It could lead to dancing.
But I do believe that English is our official language and should remain that way. I am NOT saying that we shouldn't have multi-language education, or that we shouldn't welcome other cultures and their languages into the United States. I think those two things are crucial for the advancement of our society.
It just makes sense, IMO - an overwhelming majority of citizens speak some dialect of English; the founding documents were written in English; American English (with all of its quirks, for better or worse...) is a cornerstone of what makes America awesome.
That being said, I think it should be required that students learn about some of the Native Languages spoken by the people who were here before us.
That's exactly why there's no need to make it "official."
Belief is meaningless, this is a black and white issue spelled out in the letter of the law. The constitution is what matters and it does not list an official language. Now, as for practice, the de facto language at this point in our history is English. If yo do any business with anyone in any capacity in this country you will be doing that business in English.
If the official language had been chosen based on the majority then you would not be speaking English today. Since the republic was founded, the most commonly spoken languages by the majority have been Spanish, French and German. For most of our history one of these three languages was the majority tongue. It was only in the late 19th and throughout the 20th century that English came to prominence.
What language we speak, in and of itself, has nothing to do with our greatness as a nation. To say such a thing is bigoted. It is a suggestion that you are better than someone who does not speak English simply because they don't speak English.
Did you just call me a bigot for suggesting that American English, which includes all of the regional dialects, is an important part of our country in terms of our culture and heritage?
American English is a huge part of American culture whether you like it or not. And I happen to think that American culture (and I'd like to think the good aspects of it outweigh the bad ones) is pretty great.
I apologize for not being more concise with my statement. If I had, maybe you would have been less of a d ick when you responded. Or you could have merely asked for a clarification about what I meant before you would toss out such an accusation.
I never said, nor did I suggest anything like that. I don't think that I or anyone else in America is better than anyone else because of the language they speak (I've spoken Spanish as a second language for going on 15 years now, BTW).
And despite being a diehard leftist, YES, I think America (the country itself, not the government) is f--king awesome and wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.
Again, I probably should have explained my comment a little more to spare myself the wrath of someone such as you. I'll make sure I do that next time.
For the record, being bigoted is a fact of life, no one can truly say that they are not bigoted in some way to some degree. We all have "beliefs" that we hold dear and we vehemently disagree with those who think differently and we don't fully understand why they don't think like us, we think "some things are just so obvious", and that, by definition, is bigotry. You are a good person, I am sure.
I am a bigot and the first to say so. I hate religion, absolutely to my core, I can't stand it, it hurts my brain and my heart and I harbor no tolerance for it nor will I pretend to for anyone's benefit, including my own, ever. I am a bigot and proud of it and I will never apologize for it. It is MY belief and I OWN it!
I consider myself spiritual, but not religious. I believe in a god, but I don't know and don't plan on ever knowing who/what/where that god is.
I agree that we are all bigoted in some way or another. I try really hard not to be in all aspects of my life, and it just rubs me the wrong way when someone suggests that I am.
Everyone is different, but everyone is also a good person at their core. At least that's what I hope.
But then again, people like Steve Doocy and that pastor can really put a dent in that hope...
Not to mention the damage done to discourse.
Why has religion become so central to electoral politics???
- We have exorcised much religious practice and symbology from government owned or controlled property and institutions;
- Conservative religious issues, not withstanding the rhetoric, have no legislative champions;
- Societal acceptance of the non-traditional family continues apace;
- Uber proselytizers used to be accepted if not part of the mainstream - they are now marginalized or ignored.
Religion is not under threat in this country, but those who would unconstitutionally supplant it into American law/politics are losing influence and power. They know they are dying; fear of this death makes them cry out the loudest.
Personally, I think the president isn't an overly religious person, but in our current state of hyper-religiousity in this country, he has to show some interest. Let's face it, if the man came out tomorrow and parted the Potomac, the FOX crew would condemn him for not parting the Mississippi. He just can't win no matter what.
In other words, he has to fake it...which is a sad reality in our current political environment.
Sounds like modern American politics...
I really hope that the 180 this presidency has taken from the former--not summoning God with every decision he makes, not claiming God told him to send the drones over Libya, not claiming he prayed to God for answers to the questions facing our country--is the beginning of less religious influence with our leaders (Democratic, anyway).
Ah, it's all hope, I know. Washington and Lincoln, among others, were hush-hush about their religious beliefs. It really only depends on the person, I guess.
I am a devout Christian. But I agree with you that I too am Tired of these religious morons claiming some kind of moral authority...
While I don't believe God to be imaginary, these morons put forth a distorted, centuries out of date, image of God and actually mock God.
It is sickening to see any political figure have to cower to these fanatics.
Or it could be that Mr. Obama has been a little busy lately. You know, thinking up evil ways to take over the world and stuff like that.
Or that no President since Reagan has issued one
Or that no presidents should out of respect for the (Gasp!!! Horror of Horrors !!!!) establishment clause of the First Amendment
I do not believe for 10 seconds that Mr. Obama is Muslim. He is ( was?) a member of the United Church of Christ. Funny thing I used to be a member of the UCC until I became an Episcopalian at age 16. Also and most of my family still are UCC members. I know he must be Christian (and not a phoney Chris-Chun like the Bangers )
BUT
So what if he were Muslim?? many very good people are.