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Fox's Carlson Asks Rep. Ryan Why His Message Isn't "Convincing Half Of The American Public" Who Support Obama

June 13, 2012 9:04 am ET

From the June 13 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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Previously:

Fox's Carlson Is "Stunned" That Poll Respondents Trust Obama More Than Romney To Bring The Country Together

Fox & Friends Hosts Ryan For Softball Budget Interview: "Everyone Respects The Work You're Doing"

Fox Gives Their "Star" Paul Ryan A Birthday Cake

Fox & Friends Grills Paul Ryan For Being Too Courageous


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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (June 13, 2012 9:10 am ET)
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      Is it becausehalf the American people are still conscious,and not too blinded by hate,or a my football team dam the rest of the country mentality???????
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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (June 13, 2012 9:11 am ET)
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      Hey, bimbo, better get the make-up person to touch up your face. You can see a lot of brown on your nose
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    • Author by phlcstgan (June 13, 2012 9:12 am ET)
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      It's funny, turns out old people and poor people aren't crazy about the idea of starvation. Weird.
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      • Author by jeter2 (June 13, 2012 3:03 pm ET)
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        Neither are the middle class, which will end up old & poor under the Ryan Scam...um I mean plan.
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    • Author by The_Cat (June 13, 2012 9:15 am ET)
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      Well, that's really the key question, isn't it, Gretchen? IF what Representative Ryan is say is the truth or not. As it happens, Gretchen, it's not. So, his argument is worthless.

      If the 'value drop' started happening in 2007, how exactly is that President Obama's fault again? He was sworn in in 2009. So, this 'value drop' predates his administration. Now, according to Fox Propaganda, the president before Obama was..... Bill Clinton?
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      • Author by danielsangeo (June 13, 2012 9:33 am ET)
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        I saw it when I was growing up. Everything was Carter's fault until Clinton got in, then everything was Clinton's fault until Obama got in, then it's Obama's fault.

        Heck, some are still blaming FDR!
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        • Author by epkklk851 (June 13, 2012 9:54 am ET)
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          When Iwas a teenager, my mother was talking to my grandmother, and she mentioned FDR and my grandmother slammed the counter and roared at her. I talked trash about Richard Nixon and she grabbed me and shook me and said I had to be respectful to the President. I guess she only meant I had to respect Republican Presidents.
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          • Author by xlrrp173 (June 13, 2012 4:52 pm ET)
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            My mom and grandmother were totally different, e. They loved FDR, thought the sun rose and set on JFK, Carter was OK, and neither one could understand why they were trying to impeach that nice young boy Bill Clinton for something they considered should only be between him and his wife. Guess that's where I get it.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (June 14, 2012 9:10 am ET)
                 
              My mother voted in a high school straw poll for Truman. She voted for Ike when she was old enough and then she voted for Kennedy. She voted for Nixon in 1972 and then for Reagan in the 1980s. She voted for Perot against Clinton. She was always a registered Democrat. My father was an Independent, but I'm sure he voted Republican in most of the elections after JFK. Kennedy was Navy, so it probably voted for him. My family really had little party loyalty, mostly they were just dyed-in-the-wool, old-fashioned and traditional. And my dad loved guns and hunting.
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        • Author by phredicles (June 13, 2012 11:05 am ET)
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          ...or Woodrow Wilson.
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        • Author by rhogensons@aol.com (June 13, 2012 12:28 pm ET)
             
          Or Woodrow Wilson.
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 13, 2012 12:43 pm ET)
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        The bit on this at the Breitbart/BigDumb site was a laugh, and illustrated the no-responsibility, mass hypnosis you're talking about.. The headline was basically two parts that the wingnuts seem to see as conflicting-

        1. Americans' net worth nose-dives 40%
        2. Obama approval rating at 50%

        Natch, all of the dimbulbs there got confused, thinking that the decline happened during Obama's term ( just as the headline was designed to make them think), even after the item did note that was '07-'10.

        So most of the comments were a Groupthink exercise suggesting that people lie to pollsters for fear of being called racist. When I pointed out to one of the lost souls that the decline happened due to the housing collapse and recession ( before Obama was president), he switched gears right to "Teh Demmocrat congress".

        Which didn't seem to explain the perceived conflict with Obama's approval ratings. One idea in the wingnut's skull, another one goes right out the other ear.
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        • Author by Maimonides 03 (June 13, 2012 4:54 pm ET)
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          Nice post Andy...And facts don't matter message is all that counts. Just look at BReitbart himself. A proven fraud, yet followed. Ari Fleischer a proven informant, still listened to. Karl Rove, a known leak in the white house, still seen as a good guy. Why?

          It is the message, they just repeart the message.
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    • Author by David2012 (June 13, 2012 9:23 am ET)
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      That's not the average, Doocey. That's the median, half above and half below. The average, the mean is just under $500,000, about seven times the median. Now think -- if you are capable of it -- what it means for inequality in America for the mean and the median to diverge so substantially. Think how much wealth the few at the top must have in order to pull the average, the mean, up that much over the median.
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      • Author by historygeek001 (June 13, 2012 9:35 am ET)
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        Pointing that out would be too accurate--F&F would melt like vampires faced with holy water.
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        • Author by chazmanr (June 13, 2012 9:51 am ET)
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          You would first have to explain what "median" and "mean" indicate. I am not sure that The Dooce has a clue.
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          • Author by Imbecile (June 13, 2012 1:00 pm ET)
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            No, no. Doocey has a good clue. The median is that thing in the road that helps prevent him from driving into oncoming traffic every time he's mesmerized by their headlights, and mean is what everyone is to him in public, even though he's on the TV.

            Doocey just has to laugh at dumb people like us who think those two words have to do with math.
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            • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 13, 2012 2:15 pm ET)
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              maybe we should call him " Duncy "
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              • Author by Unreality (June 13, 2012 2:51 pm ET)
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                And the F&F audience things he's the smart one! Where does that leave us?
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                • Author by David2012 (June 13, 2012 5:28 pm ET)
                     
                  Doocey is the smart one in the same sense that Oliver Hardy was.
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      • Author by xlrrp173 (June 13, 2012 4:56 pm ET)
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        Now think -- if you are capable of it --

        David, you are asking the impossible of Doocey. He has to be the dumbest sum-b itch on the TV machine.
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      • Author by Maimonides 03 (June 13, 2012 6:49 pm ET)
           
        David scaring conservatives with words and facts...challenging message...David no challenge message!!! No challenge message!!! No...NO!!!

        And scene!!!

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    • Author by teh.stoopid.lib (June 13, 2012 9:23 am ET)
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      Some people say that Ryan is so full of sh!t his eyes should be brown.
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    • Author by BlueFish (June 13, 2012 9:24 am ET)
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      What is not convincing half the American public to not vote for Obama? The fact the American people are smart enough not to believe Fox News propaganda. If we are indeed that gullible and stupid, we deserve Romney for President.
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    • Author by bintx (June 13, 2012 9:29 am ET)
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      Why? Because most Americans still believe in the traditional value of caring for your fellow man. You know, that traditional value which used to be claimed by conservatives?
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      • Author by grmce (June 13, 2012 10:07 am ET)
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        And still is by Christians.
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        • Author by bintx (June 13, 2012 10:17 am ET)
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          Yep . . . the sad thing is that so many people who now claim to be conservative also claim to be Christian and they spend most of their time calling "the least" among us, freeloaders.
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          • Author by bintx (June 13, 2012 2:03 pm ET)
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            Thanks for confirming on this thread, too, Thumby, that you are not a Christian or a conservative and that you have no idea what Christ taught. Good job! :)
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    • Author by threefingeredgus (June 13, 2012 9:36 am ET)
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      wait so what was his response?!
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      • Author by montanabuddha (June 13, 2012 11:52 am ET)
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        I wondered that myself so I looked it up over at Faux. Starts at about 5:10.

        What he basically sez is that he is impressed that Romney can even be that close owning to the massive Democratic money machine that he is going up against.
        Ryan, as always, the master of irony

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        • Author by glibberish (June 13, 2012 8:59 pm ET)
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          They think they are simultaneously the 'underdog' and the 'reigning champions' depending on which makes them feel better
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    • Author by rtwmd1230 (June 13, 2012 9:41 am ET)
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      There are lots of Republibaggers who don't support Ryan's plan ("Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"), but they're just too dumb to realize it.
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      • Author by politeradical (June 13, 2012 11:44 am ET)
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        Cognitive dissonance at work. "My Medicare is good, the rest of you can walk off a cliff! I've got mine so screw you!"
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    • Author by chazmanr (June 13, 2012 9:49 am ET)
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      Because only half of the country can be below average intelligence. Lies, misinformation and distortions really don't work on those of above average intelligence.
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      • Author by wenfen (June 13, 2012 10:11 am ET)
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        That said, isn't terrifying that a full half of this country are below average intelligence?

        Scares the crap out of me...Dumb people do crazy shiite.
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        • Author by chazmanr (June 13, 2012 10:40 am ET)
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          Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!


          -George Carlin
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          • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 13, 2012 12:27 pm ET)
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            Beat me to that quote, Chazz. Sometimes the answers to these Fox questions are so obvious. They only understand politics as "convincing" people. Some of us prefer to think for ourselves, to be "informed", not "convinced".
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            • Author by chazmanr (June 13, 2012 3:57 pm ET)
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              Ever since I saw that routine live back in the 80's, I have found that quote to be quite apropos in many a situation. (yes, trogs, that is French) I did omit the opening sentence, "Here's a scary thought..."
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      • Author by chazmanr (June 13, 2012 10:42 am ET)
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        Technically, I should have said "median", but you get the point.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (June 13, 2012 7:12 pm ET)
             
          Mean, medium, or mode. They all mean the same thing, right?
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          • Author by glibberish (June 13, 2012 9:10 pm ET)
               
            No real American says 'mode' these days. It's a little too Frenchy ie. a la mode.
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    • Author by foole (June 13, 2012 10:04 am ET)
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      Kind of a mean question by Gretchen isn't it? I mean talk about putting Ryan on the spot. He's a "bad idea" man. Bad implemnetation falls in someone else's wheelhouse. Got to respect the fact that the trogs simply won't give up on this though. It has been rejected outright and the American people have made it abundantly clear they don't want it, but the trogs just keep on plugging. If I was Paul Ryan, I would want to put myself as far away from this steaming pile of a budget plan as I could. The dude is young, and he could have a political future if he doesn't have this plan hung around his neck for the rest of his time in office.
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      • Author by politeradical (June 13, 2012 11:47 am ET)
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        According the trogs, Ryan's plan hasn't gained traction because its ship didn't hit the iceberg hard enough.
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 13, 2012 12:32 pm ET)
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        About time you got the appropriate Gravatar, Foole. ;0)
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        • Author by foole (June 13, 2012 2:34 pm ET)
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          Don't ya just love it?

          "I understand your son's a foole, Mrs. Carlin?"
          "America's fastest rising young foole!"
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    • Author by grmce (June 13, 2012 10:05 am ET)
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      Because it's a load of bollocks you dimwitted three-wheeler.
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    • Author by magnolialover (June 13, 2012 10:50 am ET)
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      Mostly because his message is to destroy most of the American populace, and then to protect the rich (the folks who really don't need protection).
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    • Author by joeybagofdonuts (June 13, 2012 11:31 am ET)
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      Because the other half doesn't depend on Fox News as their only source of (mis)information.
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    • Author by n'est-ce pas (June 13, 2012 11:35 am ET)
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      The most ironic thing in this whole clip is that Chyron: Net Worth of American Fams fell 39% in 3 yrs...because of the policies of dooshbags like Rep. Paul Ryan. The lack of self-awareness in these people is breathtaking.
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      • Author by politeradical (June 13, 2012 11:59 am ET)
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        "The boat's shipping water! What do we do? I know let's blame the guy with the bucket!"
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      • Author by Andy Kreiss (June 13, 2012 12:46 pm ET)
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        And that the media keep putting it into the fine print, that those three years included the final two years of Dumbya's shift. They're presenting it as breaking news, a stat from more than two years ago.
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        • Author by n'est-ce pas (June 13, 2012 1:17 pm ET)
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          Well, we know Fox's motivation for throwing up smoke, being the communications arm of the GOP. I guess the rest of the media just want to juice up the election cycle by lying to America about how we got where we are and who's to blame for it. Oh, that and the fact that the trickledown policies that caused the decline and fall of the once great American middle class ALSO greatly benefit the corporate owners of the major media outlets. That probably doesn't hurt....
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        • Author by glibberish (June 13, 2012 9:17 pm ET)
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          Yep that lays the grounds for the newest bumper-sticker style attack against Obama: "Peoples net worth dropped 40% under Obama! How can you vote for that?"
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    • Author by pete592 (June 13, 2012 11:42 am ET)
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      Because Ryan's message is nothing new. It's comprised of policies that have been proven disastrous over and over again.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (June 13, 2012 7:15 pm ET)
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        Yeah but; why do they call themselves "conservatives"?


        Because they are happy with the way things are and want it to stay exactly like it is now.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 13, 2012 12:01 pm ET)
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      probably because some of the media, the real media, have reported rep Ryan has signed off on Ayn Rand book. Ayn Rand is not going to run this free market.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 13, 2012 12:17 pm ET)
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      Becuase unfortunately for Mister Ryan, only half of the country is made up of gullble, easily lead, brain-dead zombies who are completely ingnorant of economics, finance and basic arithmetic.

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      • Author by Virgil_Kane (June 13, 2012 1:22 pm ET)
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        I.e., the people that watch FOX and listen to far right hate radio. The funny thing is, most of these people are voting against policies that would actually help them.
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    • Author by rhogensons@aol.com (June 13, 2012 12:27 pm ET)
         
      Cutting pay for the poor to pay the rich is unAmerican.
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    • Author by YouTubeJEFF9K (June 13, 2012 12:45 pm ET)
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      The economy is suffering from stage 4 Reaganomics. Ryan's antidote is a stronger dose of it.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 13, 2012 12:47 pm ET)
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        get drunk on Friday night, have another cold one on Saturday morning. Perfect
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    • Author by Virgil_Kane (June 13, 2012 1:21 pm ET)
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      Yep and tax cuts for the rich work...only for the ultra rich...
      Still waiting for the trickle down from the Reagan and Bush tax cuts....
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (June 13, 2012 2:27 pm ET)
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      I just love how Ryan responded, "Well, Gretchen, the fact of the matter is, my message will not persuade anyone who has a brain. Since you don't have a brain, Gretchen, your opinion is like putty in my hands. Thank God for morons, you know? But unfortunately, that isn't the case for about half of our electorate. This is why Sean Hannity and I hate America."
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    • Author by 1949vet (June 13, 2012 2:59 pm ET)
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      Carlson could have added, 'After all, you have always had OUR full support!'
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    • Author by westmassman (June 13, 2012 4:09 pm ET)
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      Fox's Carlson Asks Rep. Ryan Why His Message Isn't "Convincing Half Of The American Public" Who Support Obama

      Much better question:
      Why is Ryan's Message Convincing so many Of The American Public?
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    • Author by warhurts (June 13, 2012 4:43 pm ET)
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      Any working person that votes for a republican is super stupid. The republican party has NEVER done ANYTHING GOOD for working people. NEVER!
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    • Author by johnbrown (June 13, 2012 4:48 pm ET)
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      Thought everybody hated Obama.That is what Fox News tells us.Now they say half approves of him.Or is it "some folks" say they don't like the president.Make up your mind Fox News.
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    • Author by Maimonides 03 (June 13, 2012 4:56 pm ET)
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      I find it interesting that Paul Ryan is seen as rising star, especially on economic matters, when he has proven himself to be so inept and uninformed on the economy.

      His real appeal is he is the proto-type Ayn Rand hero. Tall, dark, blue eyes, appear confident. He is really just a salesman for the rightwing.
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    • Author by dazednamused (June 13, 2012 5:50 pm ET)
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      Ummmmmm maybe because we all know it's a bunch of Randian bullsh!t?
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (June 13, 2012 9:22 pm ET)
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      Maybe it's because that's the half that actually spent the time to read what is in Ryan's Budget! Fox viewers don't have to read anything. They turn on the TV, and the Fox liars tell them their very own version of what is in these bills the GOPers in Congress are writing. A group of Catholic nuns are on a bus tour to educate people about the dangers of the Ryan Plan. They and Ryan are Catholics, but they say that Ryan says one thing about his faith with his mouth but does the opposite with his budget. I liked the comment one nun made when she said it's the nuns who go into the communities and hospitals and witness firsthand how some people are suffering. The nuns are like community organizers, and if I'm going to believe anyone is right, it's not going to be Paul Ryan. As far as he goes is probably to and from Congress, to ritzy restaurants, home to his district, and to GOP fundraisers. This means he never has to see the faces of those whom his budget intends to punish.
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    • Author by little poncho (June 13, 2012 11:46 pm ET)
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      blondie, smart AMERICANS'know pauley is clueless!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    • Author by Spiffy (June 14, 2012 2:58 am ET)
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      If Ryan's plan simply slashed social spending and used that money to slightly patch up the budget deficit, it would merely be misguided and cruel.

      Since it in actuality attempts to use those savings to fund massive tax cuts and doesn't actually address the deficit at all, it is also a complete sham.
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